Curse

Link4009 · Nov 01, 2006, 07:15 PM // 19:15

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Originally Posted by Maria The Princess

just by showing the old years hat you are showing that your character is around for at least a year and that you were in ascalon that time

by showing your whicked hat youre showing that you got NF soon after release and that you were in kamadan in that time

the fact that people who werent there this time cant get the hats makes them even more cool!

look aat my avatar! doesnt it look cool?

and now seriously, its not like these hats are adding any attributes or any bonuses, its PURELY to say that you were there, and what point would there be if people that werent there would be able to ge them?

The Point is, that GW was made to be a game that you didn't have to grind for months/years on end to show ur one of the elite, yet by only allowing you to get these special headgear on a day when alot of people are busy, it shows that ur not of the elites, effectively giving some people the feeling of a 2nd rate citizenship by GW not allowing those too busy an oppourtunity to get the prized headgear

Maria The Princess · Nov 01, 2006, 07:20 PM // 19:20

^^the thing is that showing a hat in a town (really no poin of wearing it outside town) doesnt show that youre elite, it only shows that you were there. grind? what grind? as you mentioned before it doest take more efforts then loging on and putting your toon in the green circle... its like a souvenir, you go to a wedding and the hosts give you their custom music CD. sure you can give it away but its just an example

if you wanted the had THAT badly you can ask a friend of family member on adiffrent computer to log on for you

so what point would be in the hat if not to show that you were there?

Link4009 · Nov 01, 2006, 07:24 PM // 19:24

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Originally Posted by Maria The Princess

^^the thing is that showing a hat in a town (really no poin of wearing it outside town) doesnt show that youre elite, it only shows that you were there. grind? what grind? as you mentioned before it doest take more efforts then loging on and putting your toon in the green circle... its like a souvenir, you go to a wedding and the hosts give you their custom music CD. sure you can give it away but its just an example

if you wanted the had THAT badly you can ask a friend of family member on adiffrent computer to log on for you

so what point would be in the hat if not to show that you were there?

And as u've probably should have read before, not everyone can do that, some people have dial-up, can they do that when someone phones? NO! and my problem is that my internet shares the cable with my T.V, does my mother wanna wait a half hour when shes missing her t.v shows? NO!

Maria The Princess · Nov 01, 2006, 07:50 PM // 19:50

then why not just impliment them in character creation process?....

/endsarcasm

seriously, get used to that you cant always get what you want! thats life. during the first event i was in pre-searing on my first toon, got out of there nov 2nd or something...was i disapointed? yes. was i tearing my hair out? no, its just a few pixels. as mentioned, its a souvenir from an event, not a vanity item. you missed it for whatever reason? it happens!

Link4009 · Nov 01, 2006, 08:05 PM // 20:05

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Originally Posted by Maria The Princess

then why not just impliment them in character creation process?....

/endsarcasm

seriously, get used to that you cant always get what you want! thats life. during the first event i was in pre-searing on my first toon, got out of there nov 2nd or something...was i disapointed? yes. was i tearing my hair out? no, its just a few pixels. as mentioned, its a souvenir from an event, not a vanity item. you missed it for whatever reason? it happens!

Well if its just a few pixels to you then why would you care if a collector is put in or not?

Maria The Princess · Nov 01, 2006, 08:09 PM // 20:09

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Originally Posted by Link4009

Well if its just a few pixels to you then why would you care if a collector is put in or not?

because its a souvenir from an event. if you werent there you shouldnt have that souvenir, thats what its for

Link4009 · Nov 01, 2006, 08:12 PM // 20:12

-sigh- I'm just gonna quit this, theres no getting through elitists skulls so I'm sick of it.

Jongo River · Nov 01, 2006, 09:08 PM // 21:08

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Originally Posted by Maria The Princess

seriously, get used to that you cant always get what you want! thats life.

Life? This is a game! People do get what they want in games, otherwise they stop buying them.

There's no good reason to deny anyone any novelty hat they want. All it does is give *them* more amusement - it shouldn't hurt you, and if it does, then you have a problem.

Skuld · Nov 01, 2006, 09:19 PM // 21:19

Huh, lets just dump the hats and free booze in all char's inventories.. it was a souvenir of the time and you had plenty of notice. I couldn't make the event but set the thing on afk 2 hours before the king came.. don't tell me that was out of the question.

Jongo River · Nov 01, 2006, 09:41 PM // 21:41

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Originally Posted by Skuld

Huh, lets just dump the hats and free booze in all char's inventories..

Like they did, you mean - I was there! Several times. Got hats for all my characters, though only 1 for each. And 60-80 of each potion (some from collector farming, but most from the events).

I'm just not a mean-spirited little troll that wants to deny others.

gamecube187 · Nov 01, 2006, 10:38 PM // 22:38

/super signed

I really hope there is a collector or npc or something that will give out the hats. I have been trying to get all the event hats for all my characters, but this time I couldn't. I have 10 chars, and even with district hopping and staying up late for as much as I can, I only was able to get masks for 6 of my 10 chars.

The fact that the mad king only arived 9 times, and every 3 hours made it worse.

And I know that because it was on a weekday, and on halloween day (when many people go trick-or-treating or bring their children/younger family members trick-or-treating for hours), there are going to be many people that missed the event, and will want at least one of each mask for one character.

I really don't see how this will be a negative thing in anyway to anyone. As far as I can see, it only will benifit people.

raven214 · Nov 02, 2006, 04:50 PM // 16:50

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Originally Posted by Jongo River

Additionally, I'd like Anet to consider something I suggested in another thread. Have a /preorder style command to summon any "unlocked" hats (i.e. ones that have been obtained) for any character, at any time.

That would take the stress out of obtaining the hats (only need to do it once), eliminate the storage issue (summon when needed, delete when not) and still be unique for the people who "were there" (not an issue for me, but I know some people get uppity at the idea of their items getting less special).

Very interesting idea! And it would even help with the limited storage situation.

It's very interesting to see the variety of responses to this proposal. I favor a collector for the hat -- exactly as Anet did for the Dragon Festival -- that appears for one week after the event. Either that, or the unlocking as mentioned by Jongo.

I don't understand the "special/elitism" argument -- I'm not saying we should be allowed to load up on all event masks ever made upon character creation -- a collector for one week would give more people an opportunity to be a part of things even if they couldn't be in-game on that one day, while still requiring them to "do" something and be there around the event. If there's a collector for one week after the event, you still have to participate, but you're not penalized for having a REAL life.

It's funny to see how people use the same argument ("it's just a game") to support two opposing viewpoints, but I understand it. Yes, this is just a game, and it's just a few pixels that covers your face and clips through hair/armor. But that's exactly the point -- it's a game -- it's not real life, it's for fun, and real life does on occasion have to come first. And sometimes it can't be helped. For example... the internet goes down, the power goes out, there's a death in the family, you get the flu, you get called into work, the motherboard fries, a family member is in a car accident/hospitalized, etc, etc.

I've been playing GW since May 2005. Last year I had a college project I had to work on. I didn't even know that hats would be passed out (as that was the first GW event), so I was doing my work instead of playing. I was in LA to see the decorations, but not on the day the Mad King came. So I've been waiting for a year to get a second chance, and this time I got it woot! But I don't think that others who could not be there shouldn't have at least a short opportunity to get the hat too. This isn't some exclusive club.

And then there's another issue. Back in the day, we only had a max of 4 characters to worry about. That worked pretty well if you could be present for the event, as one appearance per 3 hours over 24 hours is 9 appearances. Now we can have many, many more characters -- I think I have 9 or 10 characters right now. This can make it near impossible to get hats for all the characters you want. I realize that this is certainly not the end of the world, but it would've been nice to get the witch's hat for my ele (I restarted him Tuesday night as I had finally found a look somewhere between "emo boy" and "LoTR old") -- and I only missed one appearance besides the last one (cause I had passed out by then lol). Please save your "that's tough, life's not fair" argument. I know full well that life isn't fair. But this is a game, and who said it had to reflect life in all aspects?

My point is, with real life and so many potential characters, it only makes sense to provide a hat collector for a short time after the event so people can get the hats they want without having to for-go sleep and piss of their significant others (my girlfriend hates GW lol

).

The funny thing is, ANet got it right for the previous event -- the Dragon Festival. Hopefully they will adopt that practice for future events.

/signed

Avatara · Nov 02, 2006, 05:39 PM // 17:39

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To me event items are useless crap... they aren't even 60 defense so they are totally unusable. If you missed one bad luck. I have already deleted all of mine

Sir Skullcrasher · Nov 02, 2006, 06:22 PM // 18:22

lol imagine if the hat come with a Superior Vigor inside than peoples will be BEGGING to get one!

Even though i only got hats on two of my eight characters, I'm quiet happy with it. Also if there is a collector, we wouldn't get the same feeling as being in the actual event and waiting for the Mad King.

the necro 123134 · Nov 02, 2006, 06:31 PM // 18:31

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These items are special for that year and event,not just to be handed out willy nilly to anyone.
As someone already said...'Be there or be square.'

Dougal Kronik · Nov 02, 2006, 07:17 PM // 19:17

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This is a forum and I can disagree with you.

I was able to get one Wicked Hat and one Furious Pumpkin Crown on my main character. That's all I wanted. Not one on every character, just my main who has every hat that ever came out in Guild Wars.

Why?

Because he was there for all of them. You were not, so why should you get the hats? The Emperor taking your 250 Jade Orbs that you had to acquire by questing/drops or buying from other players - was "grind".

They are Special Holiday headgear. The term "Special" denotes something unique or out of the ordinary. Halloween came for one day in 2005, and one day in 2006. Therefore the hats are available for being there at any of the 7 appearances of Mad King Thorn. That is what makes them special.

I am not elitist, I got a second Wicked Hat that I would have given you but they are customized. But if you were not even playing Guild Wars in October of 2005 - do you feel that you should have a Pumpkin Crown? You might want one because you think they look "cool" or it's only pixel so who cares, but you know that you would not have "earned" it and it would be a hollow feeling if you wore your Pumpkin Crown when others have theirs on who were there for the event.

And it was an "Event". You don't get an Olympic Gold Medal because you wish you could have competed but you never made it to the Olympics. You get it because you were there and you did what was required to attain your goal.

Keep the event headgear unique and continue in this fashon anet!

natuxatu · Nov 02, 2006, 07:23 PM // 19:23

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As someone said, it's an item to show that you were at an event. If you weren't there you shouldn't have it. I think less people would be opposed to say a collector that had other fun hats or something of the like. But as far as hats you get from events.. no.

Does-it-Matter · Nov 02, 2006, 07:30 PM // 19:30

I'd love to be able to get a Crystalline Sword, all the greens I want, a billion gold and ecto, unlock all titles, skills, items, etc. but this pesky "real life" thing gets in the way.

I accept that, and move on.

I don't expect an entire community or game to be changed because I was otherwise occupied. Life is about choice and sacrafices sometimes.

Yeah, I'm probably coming off a little overboard, but its a fact of life. Hell, I'd love to sleep eight hours a night, but between school and the military, it just doesn't happen.

The item, the entire basis, was a reward for showing up and (theoretically) participating in the event. Failing to do that fails the intention and thus the rewards. That's it. It's not a "hey, you were playing Guild Wars roughly around the time of <Holiday X> here ya go!"

We might WANT a lot of things (see the intro to my post), but that doesn't always mean we get it. Life has its hoops.

And for the record, the only mask/holiday item I have since the servers went live is a tengu mask.

raven214 · Nov 02, 2006, 07:53 PM // 19:53

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Originally Posted by Dougal Kronik

Because he was there for all of them. You were not, so why should you get the hats? The Emperor taking your 250 Jade Orbs that you had to acquire by questing/drops or buying from other players - was "grind".

IMHO that wasn't grind, but if you insist, then why not reduce the number to 10 or 25 -- would that still be grind? If so, should the holiday item vendors be removed because they encourage grind for bottles of alchohol and tonic? I've seen the argument that we don't deserve to have everything handed to us. I have no problem with having to make a little effort to get something -- be it show up for an event (if REAL life allows), or make up for it by collecting a few things.

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They are Special Holiday headgear. The term "Special" denotes something unique or out of the ordinary. Halloween came for one day in 2005, and one day in 2006. Therefore the hats are available for being there at any of the 7 appearances of Mad King Thorn. That is what makes them special.

I am not elitist, I got a second Wicked Hat that I would have given you but they are customized. But if you were not even playing Guild Wars in October of 2005 - do you feel that you should have a Pumpkin Crown? You might want one because you think they look "cool" or it's only pixel so who cares, but you know that you would not have "earned" it and it would be a hollow feeling if you wore your Pumpkin Crown when others have theirs on who were there for the event.

I agree that having the hats says "I was there," and that that would be lost if anyone could get them at any point in time regardless to whether they were there for the event or not. I guess I just regard the event as the whole build-up in addition to the festivities -- the decorations and vendors appearing, people gathering in towns talking about possible quests or rewards, dance-offs, and what not -- not just the appearance itself.

I was playing GW in October 2005, I spent lots of time appreciating the decorations throughout Tyria, but on the one day that the Mad King came, I had REAL life things that I had to take care of. Do I think I should get a '05 pumpkin crown now? No... I'm not asking for ANet to turn back the clock and change the way a past event happened. But I think it's only accepting reality to consider that this is a game and sometimes it has to come second, and people shouldn't be punished for that being the truth.

LadyNilene · Nov 02, 2006, 08:38 PM // 20:38

/signed

People cant be on the game 24/7, and it was on Halloween, some people do go out and such too. As much as i would like to sit on the game 24/7, thats not how it works. Leaving my character on might get me set for one char, but not for all. You might not want a hat for every character, but im not you, so dont compare me with anyone else but me. What anet shouldve done is had the Mad King come everyday of the event, not just two. That's my two cents, agree or disagree.